Interview: B2B Online Community Insights from Mark Yolton, SAP Community Network

August 3, 2009
Mark Yolton, SVP of SAP Community Network

Mark Yolton, SVP of SAP Community Network

Q: Tell us about yourself and your background – what did you do before running the SAP community?

A: I’m Senior Vice President of the SAP Community Network. I’ve been at SAP for 4 years. I’ve spent 25 plus years in business, mostly technology. Back in the day I was at Unisys, Sun Microsystems, PeopleSoft, Oracle, and then SAP. My background is in marketing – that’s where I spent most of my career. In the mid-nineties, that led me to the web – I did early corporate websites at Unisys. And I helped Sun transition to e-business. Then I was at Sun and PeopleSoft in marketing roles. I’ve been at SAP for four years, since 2005.

Q: The SAP Community Network (SCN) is six years old and has 1.7 million members. How and why did you grow to that level?

A: Core to the success is that we offer specific value to the members. We call them members rather than users. “Members” feels like part of a club – not cold and distant like “users.” We embrace these people as an extension of our company — as important customers and thought leaders – and we treat them respectfully, in a transparent manner.

We provide them value they can get nowhere else – connections to other customers, innovators, and thought leaders in the tech world – but also in their industry as well. Those in banking learn from other bankers, consumer product people from others in that industry, and so on. Read the rest of this entry »


Interview: Top 5 B2B Online Community Myths with Impact Interactions’ Mike Rowland

June 24, 2009

In this  interview with Mike Rowland of Impact Interactions, a consulting group advising B2B companies such as Cisco on social media and online community strategy, Mike covers the top 5 myths about building B2B online communities and then offers his top tips for successful community building:

 

Myth #1: B2B online communities must have a serious tone

MR: When you look at B2C communities, the perception is that they are fun and entertaining, but B2B communities have to be cut and dry. But for B2B, the facilitators, like in any community, need to haveboth a sense of humor and people skills to be effective. They don’t have to be serious and focused all the time. B2B doesn’t have to stand for “no fun.” That is not true. Think “measured fun” – for example, the kind of discussion that happens at the watercooler.

Myth #2: New B2B online communities need a presence on all major social networking sites

MR: We see communities that get launched with webcasts, blogs, Twitter, Facebook. If you are in too many places at once, you fragment your audience, and they never link all of your efforts together. Start small with your feature set, so you can aggregate people first, before giving them multiple tools. Too much focus on tools, rather than the behaviors you’re trying to get, can backfire.

Myth #3: B2B online communities need active moderation to start but eventually run themselves

MR: When building a B2B community, you should expect that your company will always need to be actively involved. When companies stop actively engaging in community, it alienates people. If you see zero responses, it feels like the company doesn’t care. For example, I’ve seen cases where companies will launch an open Q & A channel, but they don’t set up a team of subject matter or community experts. It becomes a virtual wasteland. Companies underestimate the work communities take.

Companies think that there’s a magic formula, and that once there is active community participation then the company can pull back because they are no longer needed. That’s not true. Companies must maintain their activity level, not just at launch, but have a plan for what they’ll be doing in three months, and into the future. Don’t expect to start out heavy, then back out substantially. B2B relationship-building is much more intense than B2C – you can’t just back out.

Myth #4: B2C and B2B online communities have similar participation rates

MR: The 90-9-1 participation ratio (90% lurkers, 9% intermittent contributors, 1% active participants) that community managers often cite as a benchmark is a myth, at least for B2B communities. In my experience, that ratio doesn’t fit well. That model doesn’t take into account what the community is trying to accomplish. In a B2B support community, if users don’t see their issue and need support, they post it – it’s different than a gossip community where there may not be a high user incentive to post as opposed to lurking. Support communities still have lurkers, but the intermittent contributor participation percentage can be as high as 25-30%. On the other hand, active participants in B2B communities can be more like 0.1% or a tenth of what community managers expect to see in B2C.

Myth #5: Social networking site metrics indicate the health of B2B communities

MR:The main problem with participation in B2B Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIngroups and so on is that you’re able to identify active participants and intermittent contributors, but you can’t see who’s just reading. Social networking site follower or friend counts can also be misleading because not all of these people could even be considered lurkers. Instead, use social network sites as beacons to point traffic to your site so you can measure community participation more actively.

Mike’s top tips for building B2B online communities:

MR:What does the audience hear from you over time to make you want to take action? You can’t just blitz people – you have to be providing info over time – it’s more about brand awareness. B2B companies are playing catch up a lot – but things are moving faster now. Dell and Cisco are examples of B2B companies on Twitter – that’s a big growth market.

To B2B companies getting started, ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish. Lead generation/sooner-faster sales, support? Companies need to put that into a goal – and really think about their business objectives. What would the KPI’s be? Success indicators can come from CRM, the community, the website, the ecommerce website.

After that we start talking about tools. What are you offering? If it’s perceived that you’re not offering something of value, you’ll have a low conversion rate. And –- how good is the user interface and navigation? With each extra step you lose more people. How passionate are people regarding your product or brand? Higher passion equals a higher energy rate for your online community.

We get asked questions like — for 100,000 visits per month, how many registrants should we have? It depends. There are so many variables. Compare the percent of registrations to traffic. The ratio is dependent on value exchange –- what are you offering?

An example of a passionate B2B community is Cisco Networking Professionals. The power of that brand is a combination of everything they do in the marketplace –-good products, people, treatment of customers – and how they get the message out – that ties directly into their community metrics.

A smaller company without brand awareness can use social media to get started –- online community must come later. Create an executive level blog to set the tone –- talk about where the company/industry is going. Set up Twitter –- feature your blog and call attention to yourself as a company that’s willing to communicate.

Everyone thinks they’re a social media expert. The key is to understand people, not tools. Understand what drives behavior, and why they’d want to interact.


6 B2B Online Community Takeaways from OCU 2009

June 17, 2009
Online Community Unconference 2009

Online Community Unconference 2009

At Forum One’s energized gathering of online community professionals at the Online Community Unconference in Mountain View last week, there was great interest in B2B online communities compared to last year’s conference (marketers are starting to realize that B2B companies need social media too). Mike Rowland of Impact Interactions, a community consulting group, led a well-attended session on B2B communities and their characteristics based on his six years of experience helping major B2B companies such as Cisco, Intel, and SAP establish relationships with their customers and prospects using online communities and other social media.

Here are Mike Rowland’s six key takeaways for building B2B online communities:

1) Building B2B online communities takes more than copying B2C practices

Clearly defined objectives and a focus on driving business results are the hallmarks of more successful B2B online community efforts. You can’t get there by simply adopting B2C community practices without reference to whether these make sense for your business or target audience.

2) Question the 90-9-1 participation ratio 

B2C community managers typically expect that 90% of visitors will be lurkers, 9% will be intermittent participants and 1% will be active participants (90-9-1). In the B2B space, according to Rowland, the typical ratio is closer to 99-0.9-0.1 – B2B online communities will have about 1/10th the active participants of a B2C community at comparable traffic volumes – but participation rates are all over the map. In support communities where people can ask a quick question and get a quick response, the 0.9% intermittent participant rate expands.

3. Don’t confuse traffic and behavior with value

Its easy to get excited about traffic to your B2B online community, or from seeing members interact to address issues or challenges. However, don’t confuse traffic and behavior with value to your business. Is your B2B online community generating more revenue for your business? More leads? Lowering support costs? Raising awareness? Providing key insights into your customer base? Understand the business reasons for creating your community in the first place and keep your eye on those metrics.

4. B2B online community participants are buyers

Survey research from multiple B2B online communities shows that 60+% of members say that something they read or saw in the community influenced them to buy. This is a theme Forrester’s Laura Ramos also mentioned in our B2B social media with her.

5. Use Twitter and Facebook to direct traffic to specific landing pages

Give B2B social media and community participants a clear call to action and take traffic to specific landing pages. Keeping track of traffic, leads, revenue, etc. from each third party application is also critical.

6. Young B2B communities take significant work to build

B2B communities don’t just emerge in the field of dreams sense – if you build it, they will come.  Given the community participation ratios above, B2B communities are much harder to build than B2C communities. Companies must to be prepared to work to build relationships and grow the community over time. While you will put in more work at first, and an active B2B online community will require somewhat less effort over time, don’t expect to just sit back and watch as your community grows astronomically. It takes work, but the business value derived may be well worth the effort.


Web 2.0 Expo Wrap-up from a B2B Perspective

April 6, 2009

jascha2 150x150 Web 2.0 Expo Wrap up from a B2B PerspectiveThis year’s Web 2.0 Expo, which was held 3/31-4/4/09 in San Francisco, was buzzing with people from around the world who shared web (and increasingly, mobile) best practices, though there definitely were not as many participants as in 2008, nor were they quite so ebullient. In fact, this year the theme was “doing more with less”, and the stress on best practices to use social media towards measurable business purposes. However, good social media, even for business purpose, requires humanity, conversation, sharing, and building of social capital, according to experienced practitioners such as Intuit Partner Platform marketing lead Tara Hunt.

There were a lot of advanced tips on social design and creating a robust social media presence. Clearly, with companies such as Salesforce.com integrating Facebook and Twitter, the attitude is that companies, whether B2C or B2B, are now expected to have a social media presence, or else felt to be ignoring the conversation.

In the Designing Social Interfaces session, Christian Crumlish of Yahoo! and Erin Malone of TangibleUX, authors of Designing Social Interfaces soon to be published by O’Reilly Media and Yahoo Press,  presented the do’s and don’ts of social interface design. In designing an online community, remember to:

  • Start small and learn from your community
  • Design around activity and social objects – make sure there is a there there. Merely connecting people to each other is not enough – give people a reason to be social
  • Build your community to support existing behaviors
  • Don’t try to do it all at once – if you start complex and then simplify, you can harm your community
  • Why Social Media Marketing Fails – And How to Fix It was an interesting session led by Peter Kim (Dachis Corporation), Charlene Li (Altimeter Group), and Jeremiah Owyang (Forrester Research). First they started on the question of how to get a corporate culture to adapt to social media. Li said to get big gun backing, and Peter Kim added that the chief digital officer is now becoming the chief social officer. Owyang said that there was a step before executive buy-in – that often lower-level evangelists win people over, and eventually they have to convince executives. It’s pretty rare, in Owyang’s opinion, that execs initiate social media first.

    Peter Kim added that it’s a fallacy to think young people automatically know what to do with social media — Li recommended tapping into people who actually know how to run a business. Some companies pair executives with younger people.  Li said the fallacy of the “chief social officer” is that one person can take care of this – that fosters a “it’s not my problem, it’s someone else’s responsibility” mentality. According to Li, it’s everyone’s responsibility. She noted that at Schwab, they don’t talk about social media strategy, they talk about customer care strategy.

    Li said that instead of asking: “How do I make campaigns work?”, the problem is doing campaigns, not building relationships. Owyang also stressed the importance of a long-term view in terms of social network marketing. Li noted that a company should ask itself what kind of relationship it has today with its customers, and what kind it wants in the future. She commented that many companies have Facebook pages but you never hear from the company – their page looks like a press release rather than being a vehicle for conversations.

    Li said it’s really about a change in the way to do business – “It’s really a question of whether we should have marketing at all. This is something more collaborative.”

    How do you measure social media and ROI? Owyang stressed that measurement should go beyond “friends, fans, and followers”, be based on where the company is and where it’s going, and stress business objectives. Li asked for what purpose is the measurement – appropriate budgets, effectiveness of this channel compared to others, etc. How do you measure PR, reach, effectiveness, and satisfaction? How can you measure social media if you don’t measure in other areas of marketing? What does the number mean in the context of your organization? Kim said, “Measurement is the biggest fail. Tie goals back to P&L. Li noted, “If you’re not attaching social media to a specific business goal, it will get cut.”

    Li added: “Is failure going to be acceptable or not? If you are engaged in social media, you will fail. Can your culture adapt to this?”

    Kim said: “I think the expectations are too high for social media. I think today it doesn’t matter. Will it matter? Yes, a whole lot. It will take a lot of change in business for it to matter. It’s like the beginning of e-commerce.”

    Li said: “Why do you want to have a conversation? Why does it add value? If it doesn’t, don’t waste people’s goodwill.”

    “Dell had the biggest social media failure and came out of it. They learned from their failure to become a best case,” said Owyang.

    Li notes that Walmart is doing social media very well. They have been active in this space since 2006 and they have kept trying. The Hub, their social network, was miserable. Their Facebook pages were taken over by protesters. Then they recently came out with Check Out, their buyer’s blog, which has been very successful – they learned from their failure.

    Owyang added that Kinaxis, which makes supply chain software, is a good example of a company in the B2B space using social media well – they created their own version of TechMeme for supply chain management. Even in the B2B world, there are many opportunities for creative social media that helps create customer awareness and cultivate loyalty.